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    February 02, 2012

    Hello all!

    I have been doing some research, and I have been wondering about the spiritual implications of Trey Songz tattoos in light of when he has received him. In earlier years, his tattoos have been geared more toward God (the 'only God can judge me' tat, the sunshine after the storm tat, the poem, and the women in his fam tat). However, the two 'female angel' tattoos on his back and the broken angel wing tattoos seem show a possible shift in belief. In interviews, he has stated that the female angels represent protection. However, this alarmed when I found out that there were know female angels in the Bible except two female angelic beings listed in Zechariah 5:5-11. These female angelic beings were the guardians of a woman called 'Wickedness' and were building a house for her at the site of the original tower of Babel. This lady called wickedness then reappears in Revelation 17 as the Harlot who is riding the Beast (for those who understand biblical prophecy and Endtimes; for those who do not, I apologize. Ask Qs and I can try to get you up to speed lol).

    Another thing that alarmed me was the broken angel wings. These he never gave an explanation for in any interview. Broken angel wings usually represent 'fallen angels', meaning those who have rebelled against God. They're wings are broken because they are fallen. The chief fallen angel is Lucifer a.k.a Satan:

    How you are fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
    How you are cut down to the ground,
    You who weakened the nations!...
    (Isaiah 14:11)

    There are a lot of people getting into Lucifer worship now, thinking that he was wronged and God is the culprit. These are those who believe that they are enlightened or New Age. I am just curious... What do you all think? Is it too far fetched? I never heard Trey really state if he believes in Jesus, so I'm looking forward to you all sounding off and stating what you all think the tattoos may mean ;)

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on Feb 2, 2012 - 03:07PM

Hello all!

I have been doing some research, and I have been wondering about the spiritual implications of Trey Songz tattoos in light of when he has received him. In earlier years, his tattoos have been geared more toward God (the 'only God can judge me' tat, the sunshine after the storm tat, the poem, and the women in his fam tat). However, the two 'female angel' tattoos on his back and the broken angel wing tattoos seem show a possible shift in belief. In interviews, he has stated that the female angels represent protection. However, this alarmed when I found out that there were know female angels in the Bible except two female angelic beings listed in Zechariah 5:5-11. These female angelic beings were the guardians of a woman called 'Wickedness' and were building a house for her at the site of the original tower of Babel. This lady called wickedness then reappears in Revelation 17 as the Harlot who is riding the Beast (for those who understand biblical prophecy and Endtimes; for those who do not, I apologize. Ask Qs and I can try to get you up to speed lol).

Another thing that alarmed me was the broken angel wings. These he never gave an explanation for in any interview. Broken angel wings usually represent 'fallen angels', meaning those who have rebelled against God. They're wings are broken because they are fallen. The chief fallen angel is Lucifer a.k.a Satan:

How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!...
(Isaiah 14:11)

There are a lot of people getting into Lucifer worship now, thinking that he was wronged and God is the culprit. These are those who believe that they are enlightened or New Age. I am just curious... What do you all think? Is it too far fetched? I never heard Trey really state if he believes in Jesus, so I'm looking forward to you all sounding off and stating what you all think the tattoos may mean ;)

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@Danni, thanks for sharing. I had seen that article before, but he never stated why they had broken wings if they were protecting him (a broken winged angel can't fly lol). That's why I had posed the question. I got the answers I was looking for though, so thanks :)

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Nope there will be no Crucifixions here. LOL I wasn't a day one fan and became a fan when I heard Ready. @Humbleheart.

@Tricia: I'm similar to you. I hope my admiration for Trey is normal. I don't idolize him, I reserve that only for my heavenly father. I hardly tweet him because I'm not on Twitter much. He follows me as well but I have never DM'd him either.

With me I like to check how he is doing musically. I love checking to see how he does on the charts. It makes me happy knowing his music doing well on the charts. I love finding and creating new ways of supporting him as an artist.

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Thanks Humbleheart - I can certainly respect that. And I believe you have every right to post here. No one should crucify you for not having all his albums...we all support artists at a different degree. I'm a fan of Trey but on a very healthy level. I don't idolize him, stalk him on Twitter, or anything of that nature. I seldom tweet him (and when I say seldom) I mean like 5 times in a year if that. He follows me and I have never DM'd him, or any artists who follows me in return. I believe DMing an artist is personal and since I don't know him on a personal level, I reserve DMing for people that I know more intimately.

I also love Trey's commitment to his family and his love for his music and fans. Family is very important to me so I really admire that about him. I appreciate how authentic he is. He has his faults, but he's open about it. No one would admit to having crabs unless they were true and comfortable with themselves. That's what I love about him...he's goofy, reachable, real, and just full of so much talent. That's why I rock with Trey.

Thank you for your thoughts!

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i don't reali know whats goin on here but just by readin @tricia comments i have an idea smh

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@Tricia, I have asked myself the same question: Is this the right forum?(asked this several posts ago)....Maybe I shouldn't be sharing this hhheeerrrreeee lol.

I like Trey Songz. I don't think he lacks creativity or social consciousness. I just think he can sometimes tip too much in the other direction. All I said is I would like to see more of those sides of him in his music. I never said he lacked it, just add more of it. And again, that's just my preference.

I listed several posts below some of the things that I like about him:

"There are a lot of things that I do like that he does though. I love his committment to charity, I like how he's really involved with his fans, and love his love for music. I also like his committment to family. Those are all things that I find important. I also like that he's a perseverer. He didn't give up to accomplish his dreams. There are so many dreams deferred in this world, so to see some accomplish what was in their heart to do is inspiring :) "~humbleheart

I will say that I am not an uber fanatic. I'm not an angel, I don't track him down on twitter to follow me, and *gasp* I don't have every album. Yall are probably ready to crucify me after that lol! If I like an artist, I try not to set them up as an idol in my life, and I think that is wise. And again, maybe that is why I shouldn't be posting on here lol.

Also, you were very respectful. Thanks again, for sharing your thoughts :)

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@Humbleheart Is there anything that you like about Trey? Are you a fan of his music? I'm just curious because by the consistent quoting of scriptures, it sounds like you may be too holy to even listen to his music. And I truly mean no disrespect. I am a Christian. I've been in church all my life and I'm able to quote scriptures left and right much like you; however, I don't do that. It throws people off and it shuts people down. I understand using scripture to back up what you're saying, but for everything there is a season...this is probably not the best place for that. At least not to the degree in which you are doing it. You have to reach people at their level. I found myself becoming uninterested and skimming over some of your messages because it started to become too much. If you believe his music is too vulgar and lacks creativity or social consciousness...you don't like his lifestyle or his tattoos...then I simply ask, is there anything that you like about Trey?

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@Humbleheart
I agree.

JesusIsMySavior's picture

@humbleheart:

Yeah maybe he does listen. However like you said it probably was always in his heart to do that.

As for the accelerated course I'll teach you as much as I know about Trey. Hopefully another fan with help fill in the parts I don't know. LOL

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@Numba1hon, I know what you mean. You were stating how my posts can seem critical and you listed ways they wouldn't seem that way. I got that and I agreed with some of your suggestions. I think we need to agree to disagree on this discussion 'cause it's getting way too long.

@JIMS, I read the article. Quite interesting! Maybe he does listen...Idk...hmmm. Or maybe that was always in his heart to do that one day ;)

@Numba1hon, lol rotfl, at that description! Also nice play off some of the song titles, too! Seems like sex with Trey is an "experience" lol. OMMMGGG at the number of kids!!!

@JIMS I probably need to take your Intro to Treyology 101 accelerated course to catch me up lol.

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@Humbleheart
I see you don't have a clue about what I am talking about.

JesusIsMySavior's picture

"She better have stamina, a big appetite and a telephone number for the exorcist. I hope she has some weight on her too because her behind will be skinny as a rail from all that action. And she will need a good perm, flexibility and a brass bed welded to the headboard. The pillows better not have feathers either, because the bill will be expensive. No place will be safe not inside the house or outside not even the neighbor’s. The dogs and cats in the neighborhood will be howling. And the police will be searching the terrain for a demon. In the corner of their eye, they will see a shadow running. The frightened wife will be running buck nekkid and perspiring. The exorcist will have to call the church and the fire department. And the fire department will have to use holy water. When its over they will have six sons and five daughters. (joking)"

You're too much. LOL

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@Humbleheart
I am not telling you what you think you said I am telling you how it can be read. and perceived by the reader the way you have it written. And I am pointing out the pattern. That's all. All that scripture quoting is getting to be too much. I have to come back and read it some other time.

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@Humbleheart said:
" I don't know if he's ready for that yet, but when he is, I hope that girl has some stamina 'cause she may be worn out lol j/k "

She better have stamina, a big appetite and a telephone number for the exorcist. I hope she has some weight on her too because her behind will be skinny as a rail from all that action. And she will need a good perm, flexibility and a brass bed welded to the headboard. The pillows better not have feathers either, because the bill will be expensive. No place will be safe not inside the house or outside not even the neighbor’s. The dogs and cats in the neighborhood will be howling. And the police will be searching the terrain for a demon. In the corner of their eye, they will see a shadow running. The frightened wife will be running buck nekkid and perspiring. The exorcist will have to call the church and the fire department. And the fire department will have to use holy water. When its over they will have six sons and five daughters. (joking)

@JIMS Yuuup.

JesusIsMySavior's picture

"I do believe that there are some Treyologists out there, though ‘cause some of y’all go way hard for him lol!"

I'm a Treyologist. :)

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All i know is..is that Trey usually thanks God for bringing him to where he is today and how he wouldn't be anything without him. But I think you're over analyzing it. But you make some great viewpoints though :)

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Part IV: Just a sn: You negated your argument by stating that what I said afterward nullifies everything I said before, because you pulled up a post from Dec 27, 2011 to prove your point. Isn’t that nullified, too? I just say, if the person tells you what they mean, that’s what they mean lol.

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Trey did an interview during his GQ shoot and he mentioned about being more conscious in his music. I'm starting wonder does he read our discussions. LOL

http://www.gq.com/style/wear-it-now/201203/trey-songz-interview-jacket-g...

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Part II: Also, ‘good judgment’ is not ‘acceptance’. The world accepts a lot of things that is not pleasing to God, so just because the majority agrees or disagrees doesn’t make it right or wrong. And to be honest, the truth is not popular, and never has been. The truth CUTS. It cuts to the heart. It either causes people to receive or it causes people to harden their hearts:

For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, PIERCING even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and intents of the HEART. (Hebrews 4:12)

Did you know a man named Stephen was stoned for telling the truth? Cause they didn’t like what he said? And he said some pretty harsh things; he called them “stiff-necked” and “resisters of the Holy Spirit”, Woooow! (see Acts 7, emph on Acts 7:51-53, 54-60). The bible said that when Stephen was finished speaking the truth, the hearers were “cut to the heart” to make their choice. They chose not to receive:

When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth.(7:54)

Similarly, when Peter spoke the truth of the Word, it says that the hearers were “cut to the heart”, and they chose to accept what Peter was saying (Acts 2:37):

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”…. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them (Acts 7:37,41)

How someone reacts to the truth of the Word says a lot. That being said, not everyone is going to like what one has to say when speaking God’s truth. Some people will take it personal and some people will receive. But whenever God reveals something to us, He only does it because He wants to make us better in that area of our lives.

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Part III: I admit that there are times when I am speaking in flesh, because I am human, so you will always be able to pick out something I have done wrong lol. There are times when I have been judgmental [I know that Dec 27th was rude and the Lord had dealt with me about that awhile back lol], and I believe that God has revealed this. I do not take offense because I know that God chastens those He loves and love covers one sins (Hebrews 12:5-6, 12; 1 Peter 4:8). God tells us things to keep us from reaping the consequences of our sin, not to tear us down. That being said, I know I won’t be completely perfected until Jesus returns. However, that is my aim—to be better, to strive toward the Mark, run the race with endurance, to grow, and not remain the same. Jesus makes me better :)

It’s not a ‘shame’ that I don’t look at Trey’s full body of work. I am not a Treyologist, I am a biologist lol. I do have a job and I am in school; I have other things that I do, and there are other things that I am interested in. Trey is not my main focus. He’s just a person that I find interesting, attractive, and a good singer. And I personally don’t think Trey would mind that my life isn’t consumed with him, ‘cause his life isn’t consumed with mine lol. I think he appeals to different people in different ways. That high school crowd is more likely to catch the videos on 106 & Park. College age students may be more likely to hit him up on twitter, etc. He gets his music to people in different ways. The great thing is you get to choose they way you want to receive your music. And you get to choose how much you want to know about the artist. I do believe that there are some Treyologists out there, though ‘cause some of y’all go way hard for him lol!

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Part I: “When you mentioned men that KISS AND TELL are not attractive to you, you were talking about Trey Songz either way. If you were only talking about his music, you would or should have clearly stated that. Instead your comment left WAAAY too much room to make one believe you were talking about Tremaine Neverson’s character. I hope you can see that.” ~Numba1hon

No, I was talking about his music like I said and it is apparent in the context of the conversation. One thing that I have done in this blog when talking about Trey’s tattoos, after I found out the meaning, I said it means what he says it means. That being said, if the person CLEARLY tells you they meant something else, they meant something else. You cannot tell someone what they were stating. That is being hypercritical. And being that this is your issue, I think you should take your own advice. It means what I said it meant and you can’t try to change the meaning just because you interpreted it the wrong way.

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(Cont’d)
Taking a high and mighty tone is why many people think SOME Christians are very judgmental. It is not because they are speaking falsely but because they are not communicating their thoughts in a manner that others want to accept and it sounds like they are trying to control people instead of giving them freedom to decide for themselves. The bible tells us not to judge for many reasons and possibly these are some of them. If you want to bring about change in anybody, your communication has to be something one can deal with and accept freely, willingly and at the best without hesitation. Telling somebody they are wrong and immoral in this manner is not going to endear them to you whether what you are saying is true or false. Most will find every way to oppose you and defend their position. If you have good intentions and are not putting someone down and judging them, you are more likely to be able to get them to listen so you can teach them and get results. Your message can not be corrupted between love and hate.

It’s a shame you listen to Trey’s music but DON’T look at his full body of work so you can get a better picture of him. The videos are an integral part of that. Can’t Help but Wait, Your Side of the Bed and Top of World are three good ones to look at for elements of consciousness. You will have a better understanding of the artist. Don’t always focus on the baser side of a person’s nature, but when you do need to, be careful of your approach that is all I am saying, and collect more information/evidence about the person before you post your hypothesis. That should be easy to do.

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Here is another example. You said:
:
(Dec 27, 2011 )
humbleheart says
Personally, when you have the privilege to make a mixtape and showcase your artistry, this is your chance to show the real you and not who the record company has marketed you to be. This is your chance to show the world who you want them to see. That being said, I am disappointed and disgusted that Trey Songz would not use his mixtapes to truly write from the heart and write and produce something of SUBSTANCE that people could look back on for years to come. I am sooo tired of the same 'ol same 'ol. Can somebody say something positive before their awards acceptance speech? Like maybe on the RECORD?! Can somebody not think because they do a few good deeds that they're ok, but actually be a person of character? Can somebody stand a person of moral code in the face of opposition and at the risk of losing money? When is who we are gonna be more important than what we want to attain?

I say:
Many fans may be thinking Trey could have done more conscious music or even music that would raise less controversy, but after comments like this, most fans would probably run to his defense and Trey would be offended and defensive and others may be insulted because they like the music and don’t see things the same way. Right there you loose a whole bunch of people.

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@Humbleheart
You are wrong, I watched 106 & Park just so I could see and tape the world premier of the Top of the World video and tape it. I meant to post that info about the prayer much earlier. I also watched it on this site and commented and I also purchased it from
I-Tunes. I also have the extended play but did not realize the prayer is not on it.

So I misquoted some of your comments and may have a few inaccuracies, but in essence what I said is true. The Bible tells Christians not to judge. Judging and making a good judgment about something are two separate things. Making a good judgment leads to better acceptance. Maybe the scientific approach does not work with Christianity.

I still say you were suggesting/implying Trey is using vulgar language therefore he is not creative. That was a biased observation and judgmental comment despite previous statements. That was the DIG that set the tone for negative interpretation of the rest of the comment. The most current thing you say in a discussion will annihilate the effect of previous comments and set the new tone of a discussion as it did.

If you had mentioned his creative skills again, and then the vulgarity and then stated that as a Christian (which you believe he is (or many believe he is)), you don’t think the Lord would be pleased with him, that would have been a lot better and more loving and forgiving so you would be representing truth with love. When you mentioned men that KISS AND TELL are not attractive to you, you were talking about Trey Songz either way. If you were only talking about his music, you would or should have clearly stated that. Instead your comment left WAAAY too much room to make one believe you were talking about Tremaine Neverson’s character. I hope you can see that.

JesusIsMySavior's picture

I suppose in due time God will lay it on his heart to go in that direction.

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And just so this issue about me thinking he is uncreative or unintelligent is not mentioned again, 'cause it's not true, I will post what I said before the comment at issue was posted, with emphasis on the points I want to highlight:

“IT IS EVIDENT however, THAT HE IS AN INTELLIGENT INDIVIDUAL WITH A POETIC CONSCIOUS SIDE, so it would BE NICE TO SEE MORE OF THAT SIDE OF HIM. I think it would bring shock value since a lot of ppl view him more as a sex symbol instead of someone who has something to say"~humbleheart

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LOL@Part V: Lol, @ the wife comment!!! I don't know if he's ready for that yet, but when he is, I hope that girl has some stamina 'cause she may be worn out lol j/k

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Part V: Lol, @ the wife comment!!! I don't know if he's ready for that yet, but when he is, I hope that girl has some stamina 'cause she may be worn out lol j/k

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Part IV:Another thing about that post is I said “presenting the truth in love” not “criticizing in love”. I do believe that there is a way to be tactful with the truth, which I believe was the whole point of why you posted this. I believe you outlined some good examples.

Another thing you stated I said was "His character should match the lyrics". That is not what I said. I said “This is an area in which character needs to match what is being said, and I think that Trey is aware of that because he put this contradiction in this song.” This was in reference to him saying that little girls should be respected in Top of the World, but he also states in a few lines after that that he hasn't exactly been doing that. I didn't say anything about his character. I was only restating what he had already stated in the song and showed that he was aware that he wasn't exactly doing that himself by putting it in the song. This comment definitely has to be taken in context to what the conversation was about.

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@Numba1hon, in reference to your post on how my comments may be perceived, thank you for explaining how my posts can come off judgmental. I enjoy getting feedback from others on how I can grow and become a better person. I would like to say that I did not find your posting offensive at all. First and foremost, I would like to say clearly and unequivocally that this NOT my calling (I am still unsure as to what you are calling my calling—posting on this blog?), and this not the purpose for which God created me. I respectfully disagree that I ever stated that, and I will use the post that you referenced to prove that:

“Secondly, a lot of the comment I made was generalized to the industry as a whole, not just Trey Songz, even though I used a part of his song ‘Don’t Judge’ as an example. That being said, I think that it is important (note, that I’m speaking in general) for people to have individuals in their lives who will challenge them and inspire them to be a better person. This requires honesty with those you care about, while presenting the truth in love.”

No where does it state that this is my calling (sn: I don’t really see how it could be because I’m not his pastor or spiritual counsel. Never stated that was my calling either (to pastor) lol ;) ). A calling is the purpose for which God created you (Jeremiah 1:5). My purpose/calling is based upon my relationship with my Heavenly Father, not anyone else. If I never typed a word on this blog, I would still be fulfilling it. I have operated in one of my giftings in this blog, by sharing scriptures because I do have a teaching gift to make the Word plain and to give understanding to complex/ hidden things in the Word. But that is only PARTof my calling lol.

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