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    February 02, 2012

    Hello all!

    I have been doing some research, and I have been wondering about the spiritual implications of Trey Songz tattoos in light of when he has received him. In earlier years, his tattoos have been geared more toward God (the 'only God can judge me' tat, the sunshine after the storm tat, the poem, and the women in his fam tat). However, the two 'female angel' tattoos on his back and the broken angel wing tattoos seem show a possible shift in belief. In interviews, he has stated that the female angels represent protection. However, this alarmed when I found out that there were know female angels in the Bible except two female angelic beings listed in Zechariah 5:5-11. These female angelic beings were the guardians of a woman called 'Wickedness' and were building a house for her at the site of the original tower of Babel. This lady called wickedness then reappears in Revelation 17 as the Harlot who is riding the Beast (for those who understand biblical prophecy and Endtimes; for those who do not, I apologize. Ask Qs and I can try to get you up to speed lol).

    Another thing that alarmed me was the broken angel wings. These he never gave an explanation for in any interview. Broken angel wings usually represent 'fallen angels', meaning those who have rebelled against God. They're wings are broken because they are fallen. The chief fallen angel is Lucifer a.k.a Satan:

    How you are fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
    How you are cut down to the ground,
    You who weakened the nations!...
    (Isaiah 14:11)

    There are a lot of people getting into Lucifer worship now, thinking that he was wronged and God is the culprit. These are those who believe that they are enlightened or New Age. I am just curious... What do you all think? Is it too far fetched? I never heard Trey really state if he believes in Jesus, so I'm looking forward to you all sounding off and stating what you all think the tattoos may mean ;)

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on Feb 2, 2012 - 03:07PM

Hello all!

I have been doing some research, and I have been wondering about the spiritual implications of Trey Songz tattoos in light of when he has received him. In earlier years, his tattoos have been geared more toward God (the 'only God can judge me' tat, the sunshine after the storm tat, the poem, and the women in his fam tat). However, the two 'female angel' tattoos on his back and the broken angel wing tattoos seem show a possible shift in belief. In interviews, he has stated that the female angels represent protection. However, this alarmed when I found out that there were know female angels in the Bible except two female angelic beings listed in Zechariah 5:5-11. These female angelic beings were the guardians of a woman called 'Wickedness' and were building a house for her at the site of the original tower of Babel. This lady called wickedness then reappears in Revelation 17 as the Harlot who is riding the Beast (for those who understand biblical prophecy and Endtimes; for those who do not, I apologize. Ask Qs and I can try to get you up to speed lol).

Another thing that alarmed me was the broken angel wings. These he never gave an explanation for in any interview. Broken angel wings usually represent 'fallen angels', meaning those who have rebelled against God. They're wings are broken because they are fallen. The chief fallen angel is Lucifer a.k.a Satan:

How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!...
(Isaiah 14:11)

There are a lot of people getting into Lucifer worship now, thinking that he was wronged and God is the culprit. These are those who believe that they are enlightened or New Age. I am just curious... What do you all think? Is it too far fetched? I never heard Trey really state if he believes in Jesus, so I'm looking forward to you all sounding off and stating what you all think the tattoos may mean ;)

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Part III: Lmbo @ the ‘real recognizes real’ definition! I am a youngin’, so I know what it means. I am the same age as Trey :) I actually think a lot of Christians have gone through some things, but some are reluctant to share their testimony for fear of judgment, and somemay have the ‘holier than thou’ attitude. When more Christians are willing to share what they have been through and how God has helped them to overcome those situations, more people won’t see Christians as coming from a judgmental standpoint, but from a standpoint of perseverance. This will encourage more people to overcome the obstacles in their lives and to trust God for the victory.

Also, about the” A male who has sex with everyone (or at least insinuates it) and is quick to kiss and tell is not attractive to me.” statement, again this was not directed towards Trey Songz the person. I understand that he is pretty secretive about his personal relationships, which I think is a very good thing. I’m talking about his song content, and not just his but, these male artists in general. The convo was about how we thought Trey could transition out of more sexually explicit music into conscious music if he decided to do so. This had nothing to do with his personal life.

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Part II: I also get how you could’ve thought I was speaking about Trey when stating “I think it is overly and beyond attractive when a guy speaks like he is intelligent (without all the vulgar language; this shows creativity by the way), is confident, is a gentlemen, sincere, honest, and attractive by the way he carries himself.” I didn’t say that Trey didn’t possess any of these qualities. I was stating that this is what attracts me to a man. A lot of men think they have to talk nasty and represent the thug life to attract a woman. The industry even thinks this is what sales. My statement was to show that there are some women who are attracted to other things in a man and are willing to by music from men not trying to represent that lifestyle. I definitely don’t think he’s unintelligent or uncreative, and I believe I stated several posts down how I believe he’s very poetic and lyrical in nature. I actually stated I would like to see more of that side of him on his albums.

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@Numba1hon, I can honestly say that I have never watched that vid. Apparently, you’re just now watching it too, lol! That’s part of the reason I posed the question, to find out if he did, so thanks! Honestly, I can say that I don’t watch music videos anymore and haven’t really since sophomore year in college. So to be honest, I never heard Trey state that. The prayer isn’t in the song. I am happy that Jesus got a shout in the vid tho! As far as searching this topic like I do science, I did just that. I made a hypothesis based off the information I had. When information comes along to disprove your hypothesis, you change your conclusion. This was very scientific in nature and does not show bad science. It is actually the process of scientific research: hypothesis, results, conclusion. Now the problem comes when you try to fudge the results to fit your conclusion. I haven’t done that. He clearly believes in Jesus, and I am excited!!!! I’m actually happy I was wrong :D A good scientist can admit that they don’t have all the answers, but they are searching to FIND the answers. That’s what this post was about. And I believe everyone who posted found some things about themselves or about the Word that they may not have previously known.

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Part 3: Similarly, the Bible interprets in the book of Revelation who the Woman called Wickedness in the land of Shinar is—Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of all Harlots:

Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me,[a] “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.[b] 5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.

6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.(Revelation 17:1-6)

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Part 1: Hi Tricia,

I want to say thank you for actually reading the chapter and looking up the scriptures. I do want to say that I like you interpretation. However, when looking at symbols, types, and shadows in the bible as it pertains to prophetic dreams and visions, the bible always interprets itself. This is called studying, line up line, precept, upon precept (Isaiah 28:10 )A woman in a vision found in the scriptures almost always represents a nation or a group of people (e.g. the nation of Israel as the wife of God the Father, the Church as the bride of Christ, etc.). Here, this woman called Wickedness is going out across as a curse on the earth. But before her wrath is spilled out, a house is being built for her in the land of Shinar. Shinar located in present day Iraq, and is the site where the original Tower of Babel was built and the location of Babylon the nation (Genesis 11:2-4):

And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of SHINAR, and they dwelt there. 3 Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. 4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a TOWER WHOSE TOP IS IN THE HEAVENS; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

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Part 4: Therefore, to get a clear picture of understanding what exactly Zechariah was seeing, you must know this wasn’t just about wickedness and thieves in that time, but this was about the time of the end:

Surely the Lord GOD does nothing,
Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7)

God puts things in visions, so that the world may not understand. He wants people to seek Him out for the interpretation. Then He gets the glory and gets a relationship with someone who may not have ever thought about Him. Two good examples of this is pharaoh coming to know God through Joseph interpreting his dreams and Nebuchezzar worshipping God through Daniel interpreting his dream (see Genesis 41-42, emph on Genesis 42:38; Daniel 2 emph on verse 47). Jesus highlights this point by saying that He speaks in parables to hide mysteries. These mysteries can only be discerned by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:10):

And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. (Matthew 13:10-13)

On the comment about the broken wings and the gender of angels, I suggest you read some of the posts I posted within this discussion, because I have already explained that. I do believe someone stated that he gave an explanation for what the broken wings meant, so it means to him what he says it means. I’m not going to say his tattoos mean something that he says they don’t mean. I just posed the question to see what you all thought.

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Part 2: Also note, that the bible says that the thing that was it the thing that shall be or in other words, history repeats itself (Ecclesiates 1:9). So, when looking at this woman, the angelic women, and the house being built, you must ask, for what is this house being built? When again do we see this woman? To further verify it, when again do we see the visions in the preceding chapter 4 of the two olives and the golden lampstand? All of these things, in chapter 4 and 5, show up again in the book of Revelation. Here the bible interprets the olive trees and lampstands from chapter 4:

THESE ARE THE TWO OLIVE TREES AND THE TWO LAMPSTANDS standing before the God[a] of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[b] Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow[c] their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because THESE TWO PROPHETS tormented those who dwell on the earth. (Revelation 11:4-10)

It is revealed that the two olive trees are two prophets present at the time of the end. I explained a few posts down that these two prophets are believed to be Enoch and Elijah (read the posts below to understand).

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I wouldn't change anything about Trey. I love him just the way he is. When he is ready to tone things down, he will. I don't believe anything he does is over-the-top or outlandish. I have never been offended and I don't believe his vulgar lyrics show a lack of creativity. He has plenty of songs without offensive language. What you see is his vast range and ability to bridge the colorline, racial lines, religious beliefs, etc. through song. When I go to his concerts I see all age groups there, I see all colors, both genders...it's a beautiful mix. Trey appeals to many through his music...some you will rock with, some you will not. What I see is his growth.

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I meant to add after explaining the lesson, is that God wants us to be removed from those things...lying and stealing (amongst others), but chapter 5 talks on these two things. If we open the box of wicked, she will tempt us to stray away from God by lying and stealing. God sends His Angels and His Word to help us fight those demons off.

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@humbleheart I believe you have a totally different interpretation behind Zechariah than I do. If you read just a few passages, you miss the true meaning behind the book of Zechariah. God sent a messenger to Zechariah to teach him many lessons. Many lessons in the Bible are taught through parables. One of the lessons were about lying and stealing (which is captured in chapter 5). The messenger used a visual to emphasize his meaning. A basket appeared with a woman. This woman was called Wicked (thieves & liars). The messenger told Zechariah that anyone who lies and steals will be punished. Two angels came and lifted the basket with Wicked inside and removed her (locking her in a building).

You said the Angels were females, but Angels are not categorized by gender in the Bible. Also, I came across nothing in the Bible about broken wings and what the meaning behind them are; therefore, I'm lead to believe that anyone can define their meaning to fit their life & their circumstances. I believe Trey to be a God-fearing man, but still battles everyday with the world's tempatations...as do many of us. If Trey states the tattoos on his back represents the Angels fighting for him, then I certainly take his word for it.

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@Humbleheart

You said: "I never heard Trey really state if he believes in Jesus..."

Please view the Top of the World video. The first thing Trey does is pray. Watch what he says when it gets to about 0.54.

Top of the World is current and has been out since November 2011 and it was discussed by you and @Cuttigurl609 in the thread Disrespecting Woman in late December 2011. This tattoo post was made by you after that discussion. This is significant for a reason that is not obvious.

You are studying scientific research. That means it is necessary to develop the HABIT of taking a scientific approach. It takes more than being curious and loving discovery. You have to pay close attention to details, follow through methodically, and be extremely objective and thorough otherwise you could miss something important that is right in the front of your eyes while you are seeking to find or prove SOMETHING ELSE. You can not be BIASED in scientific research. I hope you fair well in your studies and become the best scientific researcher you can be, and I truly mean that.

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"For example, in Trey’s case you could tell him to get himself a good women or wife. That way you, @JIMS and @Uriel will be happy because he might stop singing about sex all the time because he will be getting as much sex as he wants (hopefully) from someone he loves. LOL"

LOL :)

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(Cont'd)
As a Christian, I don’t think you want to be judgmental so I posted these comments so that you might understand how to be more effective. In order to speak truth and wisdom and have someone accept it, you have to do it in the right spirit and with good and pure intentions. Otherwise you will get resentment and opposition. We all have to practice not letting our buttons dictate our baser impulses including me. So I hope you are not offended. I must admit I was initially offended, but I tried to write this without offending you.

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(Cont’d)
You said: “A male who has sex with everyone (or at least insinuates it) and is quick to kiss and tell is not attractive to me.”
I say: This is an inaccurate judgmental observation based upon Trey’s music. The fact is Trey is EXTREMELY TACITURN about his intimate/personal relationships. I have watched 100’s of interviews and I watch him on USTREAM, and have never heard him give any personal identifiable information about anything he has done even in his raunchiest interviews. He only has good things to say about his ex girlfriend, Helen and hates anyone to ask him about Lauren London. He has even less to say about anybody else. We don’t know if he is having sex with anyone. Hiphop is about boasting and exaggeration. Now if you had said his songs and raps makes it APPEAR that he is having a lot of promiscuous sex, and having promiscuous sex is dangerous. I would say that is an accurate observation and a good judgment and not judgmental.

You said: “I'm not bashing him, but I think his fans would still support him with his clothes on.” (This is verging on judgmental and leaves too much room for negative interpretation). “With his clothes on” is the problem wording. If you said his fans would still support him if he was not as sexually seductive. I would say that is fair because it is an opinion based upon a true observation of his seductive performance.

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(Cont’d)
You said: “I think it is overly and beyond attractive when a guy speaks like he is intelligent (without all the vulgar language; this shows creativity by the way), is confident, is a gentlemen, sincere, honest, and attractive by the way he carries himself.”

Imply: To suggest you think something without directly saying it.

I say: (The above is HYPERCRITICAL sounding. It implies that Trey has none of those good qualities. The deceased founder of Atlantic Records, Armet Artegun, recognized Trey’s creativity, artistry, and lyrical ability. He stated Trey was one of the most PROMISING young artists to come to the Atlantic label. When you see Trey in interviews, he is very intelligent, confident, a perfect gentleman, and he is sincere, honest, and very attractive. I have watched hundreds of interviews and many TV programs including shows that Trey co-hosted, and he has handled himself exceedingly well the majority of the time even from an early age. He is multi-talented. He can get raunchy is if the interviewer is leading the conversation in that direction though. Even when Trey is talking sh*t as he calls it, he is exceedingly creative. You could have said Trey is creative and he has great lyrical ability, but there is a lot of vulgar language in the mixtapes, and as a Christian women, I am not comfortable with this. I like a lot of his music but I wish Trey did not use so much profanity or sexual explicitness. He might not like this but he would not be greatly offended and he might consider it.

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(Cont’d)
MY OBSERVATIONS ABOUT COMMENTS IN THIS POST:

You said: “I do think that he can tone down the sexual content at his concerts as a start.”
I say: (This is a fair opinion. Some shows do have a lot of sexual content)

You said: “Me personally, I don't want to pay my money to see a dude that strips on stage.”
I say: (Judgmental and insulting because it implies that this is all he does of value, etc.)

You said: “I think Trey Songz is better than that (my opinion).”
I say: (Judgmental – a backhanded compliment. It implies he is degrading himself for “stripping”. You could say Trey is such a good artist and so attractive and sexy already, he doesn’t even need to take his shirt off. He looks so good in his clothes. He’s got that grown man swag going on.

You said: “You can still be sexy without taking your clothes off or being sexually explicit.”
I say: (This is okay but could be improved.)

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(Cont’d.)
You said: “His character should match the lyrics”.
I say: This is judgmental. A new discussion could have been “what young girls can do to make young men respect them?” or “What can women do to develop themselves to be attractive besides trying to be sexy?” But instead the focus is placed your opinion of the speaker’s character. I think it takes a lot of character to reveal your flaws (that might not even be about yourself) so that you might help somebody. Non-saints have a tendency NOT to listen to saints, but they might listen to a non-saint more carefully because real recognizes real---An idiom of hip hop culture used to refer to the tendency or ability for real individuals to identify, connect with, or otherwise respect, other real individuals - Urban Dictionary.

In Disrespecting Women, you mentioned criticizing in love.
Criticizing a person’s character does not express love especially when the person has already entrusted you with the knowledge of their flaws. You are supposed to love your friends regardless of their shortcomings or find other friends if they are not right for you. A friend tries to help another friend do better and not tear them down and make them resentful. You want them to love you as a friend for standing by through thick and thin. Point out things they can do to help themselves without judgment. For example, in Trey’s case you could tell him to get himself a good women or wife. That way you, @JIMS and @Uriel will be happy because he might stop singing about sex all the time because he will be getting as much sex as he wants (hopefully) from someone he loves. LOL

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@Humbleheart
I am making this post so that you will understand why I made the previous observation and to explain how I think you could be more effective.

You said: “Also, this isn't my "calling". I never actually stated what I was called to do.”
I say: You made a statement on another thread about being called to tell the truth to this artist to help make him a better man, but you indicated fans get mad when something unfavorable is said. Therefore that statement would also apply to this post if that is the essence of what you said.

In Disrespecting Woman @CuttiGurl609 explained that Trey was writing about his own life experiences and she mentioned that in Top of the World that Trey was doing something positive by providing knowledge that would help females.

Trey Songz says: “Women, Please Check For Sumthin More Than Stilettos And Young Girls, Make These Lil Niggas Respect You If I Was Your Father, I'd Never Neglect You So A Nigga Like Me Prob'ly Never Met You Prob'ly Some Special, And I'm Happy I Met You But You Really Wanna Know Me I Just Wanna Sex You After You Wanna Cuddle, I Don't Wanna, But I Let You You Made Me Promise, And I'm Honest, Try Not To Forget You!” –Metro Lyrics

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"I think it would be really cool if he offered an annual scholarship to a Trey's Angel or someone who is making a difference in their community."

I like that idea.

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@Numba1Hon:

"Yuuup. I could imagine a stampede and people getting trampled not to be saved either, but to get to that stage with Trey. The way practically worship and adore him, they might agree to accept him as their savior. The sacrilege could be so extensive an exorcist might have to be called in. LOL"

That's exactly how it would happen. LOL

"I THINK it is important to accept Jesus while your thoughts are pure.That is exactly how it would happen. LOL"

I agree.

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I do think it would really help his charity to expand and partner with other non-profits instead of just limiting it to the fans. I know its still in the baby stage, but I think that he could reach and help a lot more people if he extended his partnership to churches, after school programs, minority education programs, etc. I also think he should take donations from corporations who desire to partner with charities involved in these types of things. This would definitely bring more money into the foundation. Furthermore, I think it would be really cool if he offered an annual scholarship to a Trey's Angel or someone who is making a difference in their community. He may plan to do that long term, and I think he has the opportunity to do a lot of great things that most people don't think of with his charity.

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Also, if my goal was to tear Trey Songz down, I don't need this site to do that. There are plenty of other sites doing that already. Also, this isn't my "calling" . I never actually stated what I was called to do. I am willing to share if you all are interested lol. I did post some songs that I think show conscious music in a do-able manner that I asked you guys to check out as a way look at how he can do it, so I don't think I was criticizing without offering a solution. I did say that I think he is "better than" taking his clothes off all the time. I think it says a lot when someone respects you with your clothes on. I think some of his best looks are when he is fully clothed because he definitely has that grown man swag. I have never seen him in concert; I have only seen a few clips of him in concert, and quite naturally the women want to post the vids of him getting naked lmbo! I think you have to realize that I'm human too, so I my comments aren't always straight from the Throne Room either lol. I don't take back what I said, because that is what I personally like. You may like him better naked and that is your preference if you do. That fact remains though, that he can't please everybody. He's going to have to make those decisions for himself and do what he feels is his best for him to accomplish what he is called to do.

Furthermore, I really don't think he reads this stuff--just my personal belief, but he may, in terms of the feedback comment you made. There are a lot of things that I do like that he does though. I love his committment to charity, I like how he's really involved with his fans, and love his love for music. I also like his committment to family. Those are all things that I find important. I also like that he's a perseverer. He didn't give up to accomplish his dreams. There are so many dreams deferred in this world, so to see some accomplish what was in their heart to do is inspiring :)

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@numba1hon, I am a bit confused here, because of this statement you made: "For example, you implied he [Trey] has no creativity ...". I did not imply that at all. I said what I LIKED in a man, not what I wanted SEE IN TREY lol!!! I also wasn't saying you needed "help", it seemed like you were actually concerned. I didn't know that you were being humorous at all and you can't tell without emoticons, lol, lmbo, rotfl etc. Typing has no expression, so I apologize if I couldn't tell the mood from which you were talking. I don't have any hidden sin (sin that I am trying to hide), I am actually very transparent about my walk and I felt that when I was telling what I went through personally (by having to give up some things for a season) that I was being transparent. I do think that you got wrongly offended by my statement. I don't think you need savin lol and I was NOT implying that. I was letting you know what I what I went through, 'cause you seemed like you were dealing with some of the same things. However, thank you for clarifying that you were indeed JOKING and not serious.

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@JIMS
You said: “Could you imagine that? After his singing all those freaky songs and at the end [Trey] saying anyone that wants to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, please COME TO THE STAGE.

Yuuup. I could imagine a stampede and people getting trampled not to be saved either, but to get to that stage with Trey. The way practically worship and adore him, they might agree to accept him as their savior. The sacrilege could be so extensive an exorcist might have to be called in. LOL

I THINK it is important to accept Jesus while your thoughts are pure.

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@Humbleheart

THIS IS WHAT I RECOMMEND
The best way to offer advice is to give constructive criticism gently and not completely tear the person down. Give props where they are due. FOR EXAMPLE, we know Trey is immensely creative. He has a full body of work that proves it, and all of it does not include immorality, lewdness or profanity. For example, you implied he has no creativity because his work includes the aforementioned things and he takes his shirt off. However, the implication is far from the truth. He is immensely creative, but not in the manner or genre you would like. He also is doing much good. Your criticisms don’t point out his good side. If you change the way you criticize and judge, I think you will be successful with your “calling.” If you have ideas that the artist can use, they should be part of the constructive criticism. It is useless to tear someone down if you can’t offer something of value they don’t already know about that could help them. In other words don’t judge. Provide constructive criticism which includes positive reinforcement of what the person is doing right, what they can improve, and HOW TO do it so they will get results. We are talking about a very successful artist here so good luck with this task. I know I am not in the position to do it. The feedback button is on every page.

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@Humbleheart (Continued)

THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT JUDGING TOO HARSHLY
People that sit in harsh judgment of others usually are revealed to be hypocrites and are usually hiding bad things about themselves. If the goods were known about them, they would not seem to be such good people. Often they criticize wickedly to take the attention away from their own wrongdoing and hide what they are doing from themselves.

Wicked: Morally wrong and deliberately intending to hurt people
Slightly cruel but not intending to upset people
Expressing a slightly cruel type of enjoyment

I can be pretty wicked myself so I know about it. I am not saying you are any of the above, but I think you have a tendency towards it and have to be careful of it. It would appear to most that your mission on this website is to put the artist down even though you tell yourself you are trying to help. I think the artist knows of his own shortcomings with the Lord. You are not going to get me or anyone else on here to follow you with the Word by criticizing the artist in this manner, but you will succeed in making his fans believe you are the type of Christian they don’t want around.

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@Humbleheart
Thanks, but no thanks. In my reply to JIMS, I was just adding humour to a serious topic.
I know where to get excellent help.

It is a blessing to have Christians interested in the welfare of Trey. I am sure you are the best Christian you can be and when you quote the scripture, I think you are most effective and it is a blessing that you know the bible so well. HOWEVER, I think you have a lot to learn about being hypercritical and judgmental. The Bible says don’t judge partially because you become the victim of other people’s judgment.

Judge: to criticize someone because you think their moral behavior is not very good
Hypercritical: extremely critical; too eager to find mistakes in everything.

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@humbleheart:

Could you imagine that? After him singing all those freaky songs and the end saying anyone that wants to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior please come to the stage.

I’m one of the few but do I agree he can tone down the sexual antics a bit. But in all fairness to Trey the majority of the time he is on the stage he isn’t gyrating and stripping. Actually the majority of the show he has his clothes on.

“You can still be sexy without taking your clothes off or being sexually explicit. I think it is overly and beyond attractive when a guy speaks like he is intelligent (without all the vulgar language; this shows creativity by the way), is confident, is a gentlemen, sincere, honest, and attractive by the way he carries himself”

I totally agree.

“A male who haves sex with everyone (or at least insinuates it) and is quick to kiss and tell is not attractive to me. I'm not bashing him, but I think his fans would still support him with his clothes on. And if they don't, then they're just horny females looking for a man lmbo! :)”

I agree I believe his true fans will support him regardless. LOL@the horny females comment.

I’ll check out the songs in a bit. But I think it can be down on a grander scale.

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@Numba1Hon:

Yes it is a beautiful thing and with the benefit concert I thought it was a beautiful touch to add the choir at the end. Yeah it would be a odd mix to sing “I can freak you right” and the next song would be “jesus loves the little children”. Can we say awkward. Yeah some of the things Trey does I’m like “Father God what is going on here”. I love the majority of his music too. You are right you never know what Trey may do.

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@Numba1hon, the fact that you are concerned about your salvation and the fact that you like his 'worse ones', I think really believe that the Holy Spirit may be speaking to you about that aspect of your life. I think that you should seek Him and see what He wants you to do in this season. I know that there was a time in my life where I had to back up from certain songs and music, so that the Lord could work on me and grow me up. And I am better because of it. I learned to hear His Voice in that season and the Lord delivered me from some things that I was struggling with at that time. I can truly testify that I feel free in those areas of my life and it was well worth it! :) I also got to learn in that season some of the things that I am called to do. I am still going through the growth process and strengthening and He is still stripping some things away from my life, so I have not arrived. I am still running the race. But know, that there is great freedom, joy, hope, and love overflowing when you know your purpose, who you are, and where you are going (heavenwise lol) :).

Trust His leading, and if you need a prayer partner, I am here for you!

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