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Spiritual Implications of Trey's Tattoos

  • Hello all!

    I have been doing some research, and I have been wondering about the spiritual implications of Trey Songz tattoos in light of when he has received him. In earlier years, his tattoos have been geared more toward God (the 'only God can judge me' tat, the sunshine after the storm tat, the poem, and the women in his fam tat). However, the two 'female angel' tattoos on his back and the broken angel wing tattoos seem show a possible shift in belief. In interviews, he has stated that the female angels represent protection. However, this alarmed when I found out that there were know female angels in the Bible except two female angelic beings listed in Zechariah 5:5-11. These female angelic beings were the guardians of a woman called 'Wickedness' and were building a house for her at the site of the original tower of Babel. This lady called wickedness then reappears in Revelation 17 as the Harlot who is riding the Beast (for those who understand biblical prophecy and Endtimes; for those who do not, I apologize. Ask Qs and I can try to get you up to speed lol).

    Another thing that alarmed me was the broken angel wings. These he never gave an explanation for in any interview. Broken angel wings usually represent 'fallen angels', meaning those who have rebelled against God. They're wings are broken because they are fallen. The chief fallen angel is Lucifer a.k.a Satan:

    How you are fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
    How you are cut down to the ground,
    You who weakened the nations!...
    (Isaiah 14:11)

    There are a lot of people getting into Lucifer worship now, thinking that he was wronged and God is the culprit. These are those who believe that they are enlightened or New Age. I am just curious... What do you all think? Is it too far fetched? I never heard Trey really state if he believes in Jesus, so I'm looking forward to you all sounding off and stating what you all think the tattoos may mean ;)

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on February 2, 2012 - 3:07pm
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Hello all!

I have been doing some research, and I have been wondering about the spiritual implications of Trey Songz tattoos in light of when he has received him. In earlier years, his tattoos have been geared more toward God (the 'only God can judge me' tat, the sunshine after the storm tat, the poem, and the women in his fam tat). However, the two 'female angel' tattoos on his back and the broken angel wing tattoos seem show a possible shift in belief. In interviews, he has stated that the female angels represent protection. However, this alarmed when I found out that there were know female angels in the Bible except two female angelic beings listed in Zechariah 5:5-11. These female angelic beings were the guardians of a woman called 'Wickedness' and were building a house for her at the site of the original tower of Babel. This lady called wickedness then reappears in Revelation 17 as the Harlot who is riding the Beast (for those who understand biblical prophecy and Endtimes; for those who do not, I apologize. Ask Qs and I can try to get you up to speed lol).

Another thing that alarmed me was the broken angel wings. These he never gave an explanation for in any interview. Broken angel wings usually represent 'fallen angels', meaning those who have rebelled against God. They're wings are broken because they are fallen. The chief fallen angel is Lucifer a.k.a Satan:

How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!...
(Isaiah 14:11)

There are a lot of people getting into Lucifer worship now, thinking that he was wronged and God is the culprit. These are those who believe that they are enlightened or New Age. I am just curious... What do you all think? Is it too far fetched? I never heard Trey really state if he believes in Jesus, so I'm looking forward to you all sounding off and stating what you all think the tattoos may mean ;)

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I agree with Numba1hon. I do not think he should do an altar call after singing the panty dropper songs. That would be completely contradictory and disrespectful to God. Plus, nobody's heart would be prepared to hear to praises to God at that point because their minds would be on having sex or lusting after him.

I do think that he can tone down the sexual content at his concerts as a start. Me personally, I don't want to pay my money to see a dude strip on stage. I think Trey Songz is better than that (my opinion). You can still be sexy without taking your clothes off or being sexually explicit. I think it is overly and beyond attractive when a guy speaks like he is intelligent (without all the vulgar language; this shows creativity by the way), is confident, is a gentlemen, sincere, honest, and attractive by the way he carries himself. A male who haves sex with everyone (or at least insinuates it) and is quick to kiss and tell is not attractive to me. I'm not bashing him, but I think his fans would still support him with his clothes on. And if they don't, then they're just horny females looking for a man lmbo! :)

As far as conscious music, it can be done right where it is fun and uplifting. I am posting a link to a few r &b, hip hop style conscious songs below of a couple artists for you guys to check out. Sound off and let me know if you think it sounds great and can be done on a grander scale:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcdKXj2xBgs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5kZNH3xm3s

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@JesusIsMySavior
You can feel like you’re in church when he gets started. It's a beautiful thing. I wouldn't mind his singing a gospel song in church BUT not during the same concert he's singing I wanna freak you, Neighbors or Lap Dance. I have conservative views about mixing certain things. In some of his performances, even looking at his love faces, I don’t know if I should run, cross my fingers or pull out a crucifix. I think Humbleheart said we’re not going to hell in gasoline underwear but I want to make sure she’s right. MY TROUBLE is I like almost all of Trey's songs---the more conscious and even the worse ones. So all I know is I am not ready for a complete switch. You never know what he might decide to do though.

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@Numba1Hon:

They probably aren’t ready for it a 100%. I’m not sure how the introduction of more conscious music should be. It could be gradual or instant. It’s all in God’s hands. You know I went to a Trey concert a few years back for some reason the way the band played and the way Trey was speaking I felt like I was in church. I told that to my friend who was with me and she said it does feel that way. LOL Since I do enjoy gospel music I wouldn’t mind Trey singing a gospel song.

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@Numba1hon I didn't think you were being shady at all. It can just sometimes be discouraging when God calls you to speak something that is unpopular, so you second guess yourself. I always have to ask myself, Father am I in your will? Am I pleasing you? Is this Word too harsh or too much for your people?

But I know that God is sharing the Gospel in the most unique ways nowadays. He is raising up a lot of individuals like Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin. The Lord is looking for voices in the last days to spread the Gospel because He wants to reach the person who would never go to church, but may turn on BET or go to a Trey Songz concert. Whitney Houston's funeral was really one of the first time's that the Gospel was broadcast across a national newstation! And many tuned in because of her position as an American pop star. God is truly doing amazing things! He is even using us to talk about the Gospel on here, which is amazing, considering this site is really about Trey Songz. Glad to hear you enjoyed the discussion, though and that it wasn't all in vain. Just know that the darker it gets, whether it be in music or whatever, the brighter the true light will shine :)

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Correction:
A few comments ago, I meant to say Sex Ain't Better than Love which is the correct title.

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@Humbleheart
I do not feel that way. I was not trying to be shady. I am glad someone is studying the bible closely. I was having a good time looking up everything . I just wanted to point out that there probably is some diversity on this site even more so because Trey is an International star, and that even within the same faith, there are many interpretations. Either you or I or Uriel could be correct or we could all be wrong. Therefore we could go on discussing the same subject to no end. Also, in our haste to be right. we would probably be missing the main issues we should be concerned about.

Also, if God is compelling you to say something, any forum is the right forum. My comments had nothing to do with you. I was just explaining myself.

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@numba1hon, I also agree with religious freedom. I believe people have the right to choose what they want to believe, and that's one of the things I love about God. He doesn't force anyone to follow to Him. That being said, I do apologize if I have gotten a little too in-depth with the scriptural references. It's just that I love wisdom, I love God, and I love searching out mysteries. This may be one of the reasons I'm attending grad school in the school of medicine for scientific research, because I love discovery so much. And I realize that not everybody is there or wants to be there for that matter, so again, I apologize if it was too much. It was never my desire to be condescending :( I just love sharing revelation that I learn with others. And this may not be the proper venue to share that type of info I guess lol.

It's a lesson in humility, as I grow into a better me :)

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@Uriel These are my OPINIONS so not to confuse anyone.
Even with a personal relationship with God, you may still not know and UNDERSTAND a lot of things. You know this from your own experience and you can see this by just observing very religious and spiritual people around you. I don't believe God is going to reveal everything to you at once because everyone is not ready, willing or able to receive everything at once. I believe you have to be ready for the revelations to receive them, and learning is a gradual process with trials, errors and successes. Also, many people have strong faith but may not learn how to apply what they have learned to actual life and make it work for them right away. This is partially why many of us have great faith but are still a work in progress. I agree it is our responsibility to find out the highest truth if we are on that path.

I agree that people will only see what they are able to confront. That is why you have so many different opinions, feelings, views and reactions about the same thing. As such, you have different levels of knowledge and understanding even though the Word is the same.

This may be my last post about this topic because this is not my forte and I don't want people to think I am an authority on anything . Also there are so many different beliefs even within the same religion, so this discussion may never end. I am sure Trey fans come from many religious backgrounds including Christian, Muslim, Buddhists, Hindu, Scientologist, Jehovah Witnesses, etc., etc. Also some fans may have no religion but may have spiritual beliefs. Some may have moral philosophies. I believe in religious freedom. I tend to think God is everywhere myself. I still hope I am not going to hell.

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@Numba1hon, lmbo @ the fans staying out of trouble do to their obsession with Trey!!! I guess...

Clearly everyone's not going to hell in a handbasket and gasoline underwear, but the Lord does want us to pay attention to what's going on. He sends hiccups to wake people up to pay attention to Him. These shocking events are the braxton-hicks contractions before the beginning of the labor pains. He just wants us prepared, that's all :)

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Part 3:
Upon the resurrection, we as believers will also obtain new resurrected bodies, called spiritual bodies, similar to the angels in heaven. The key to this is found in Luke 20:34-36:

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being SONS OF THE RESURRECTION.

~(Luke 20:34-36; caps added by me to emphasize what I wanted to point out)

Our flesh bodies aren't eternal (to dust our bodies must return), so we will need new eternal bodies, called resurrected bodies. This is why many believe that the two witnesses in Revelation 11 are Elijah and Enoch, because they are the only two who did people who did not die and were without resurrected bodies. Therefore, they would need these eternal bodies to live in the time of the Millenial reign and beyond (hence, eternal life). Furthermore, Paul goes on to explain these new 'spiritual bodies', similar to the angels in 1 Corinthians 15:35-49. I'll add a small excerpt below:

40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1 Corinthians 15:40-42)

Sorry yall if it got a little too complicated lol. I hope it makes sense, but it is hard to share this much info in a short posting.

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Part 2: Also note, the Heavens are places. Jesus is sitting there (in the third Heaven) in in bodily form, at the Father's right hand. He has a completely resurrected body, with the nail prints and all. That is why John said that everyone that says that Jesus has not come in the "flesh" is the spirit of anti-christ (1 John 1:4; 2 John 1:7). Another example of flesh in heaven is Elijah going up to heaven in the chariot of fire (2 Kings 2:11) and Enoch who was caught up to heaven (Genesis 5:24). The spirit realm and the and the flesh realm both exist within earth and the heaven.

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Part 1:@ Uriel, spirits are still spirits in the earthly realm, but they have bodies that manifest in both the seen and unseen. Why? Because the spirit realm is around us--we just can't see it. Only when our spiritual senses are open are we able to sense what is going on in the spirit realm. A perfect example of this is Elisha opening his servants eyes to see the angels as flames of fire going out to battle before them(2 Kings 6:14-17). Similarly, when Balaam was going to meet Balak about cursing the children of Israel, He could not see the angel coming to oppose Him, but His donkey could. The Lord had to open His eyes, so that He could see in the spirit realm this angel about to kill him (Numbers 22:31). Angels do not need a flesh body to operate in the earth because they already have a spiritual body (if you read on, I explain because it can get confusing lol). Now demon spirits, believed by many to be separate from fallen angels and chief princes of provinces (there is ranks in the spirit realm; see Ephesians 6:12), do need a flesh body to operate in the earth. Jesus said that they wander through dry places until they can find a place to rest (Mathew 12:43-45).
I honestly do not know how they had sex with the women, but it is indeed a mystery. The bible interestingly states that this happened again after the flood ( Genesis 6:4), and we know this because we see a race of giants show up when David fights Goliath and his brothers.

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Numba1Hon ~ You are adorable, lol. We don't have the understanding because we (mankind as a whole) have been taught wrong for the most part. God will tell you that even if you have been taught wrong it is still your responsibility to find out the truth for yourself. How do you do that? By having a personal relationship with Him. I hate to say this but the Bible isn't the only place where God exists. Most church "religious" people firmly believe this. The Bible is one place. God is everywhere and in everything. If you truly have a relationship with Him, He will personally let you know what is truth and what isn't. The question is are you ready to accept what He tells and/or shows you. Most people can't accept the truth because it is too painful for them.

This quote came off of one of my favorite TV shows "Revenge"...a character said this last week and it's so true. She said "Truth is a battle of perceptions. People ONLY see what they are prepared to confront." Sometimes when God knocks down those walls of deception and shows you the truth about a situation it can be hard to accept the truth/reality He is showing you.

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Humbleheart (con't)~ You would be surprised so many people respond to God in this manner because they are angry at Him (their pride). They blame Him for giving them the life they have and that isn't true. God does give us all life, but not the lifestyles we individually created for ourselves. You can't control the family you are born into, but once you become an adult you have the power to change things for yourself (and your life) for the better.

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. In the book of Genesis, it states that the angels who rebelled in heaven, also called the "sons of God", came down to have sex with the women. It states that these angels saw that the women of God were beautiful and took them as wives (Genesis 6:2). The offspring of the angels and the women were called Nephilim or Giants: angel-human hybrids ( Genesis 6:4) If they were indeed asexual, why didn't they bear Giant children with the men?An asexual angel cannot implant "seed" into a woman. Likewise, when the Holy Spirit came upon Mary for her to bear Jesus in her womb, the seed of God the Father was implanted in her egg, creating Jesus. This made Jesus human (1/2 DNA from mom) yet divine (1/2 from God the Father). Only a male can implant seed into a woman.

Humbleheart ~ They came down to earth to have sex with the women. They were not in the spirit realm. In the spirit realm you have no physical body because you are spirit. Why do you think God is everywhere and in everything. He is in you and me and this guy sitting next to me. God isn't just masculine. He is also feminine. He is Father and Mother to all mankind. You physical body is the vehicle your soul occupies while you are living on this earthly/material plane. You wouldn't be able to be a physical being without it. You would be spirit instead. For the most part mankind cannot understand and accept this because we only believe what we have been taught and what we see with our own two eyes and I don't know why we haven't learned this yet but living that way is deceiving. Most things are not what they seem or appear to be. Good response though.

Also about prayer...I am not saying that JesusIsMySavior shouldn't or cannot pray for him. Prayer is a good thing, but my family and friends can pray for me all day and night. God can intervene into my life because of them praying for me, but I can still choose not to listen to or do whatever it is God asks me to do.

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@JesusIsMySavior
Conscious music is needed more frequently, but I don't think Trey fans are ready for 100% conscious music from Trey yet that is why I used the word occasionally meaning a few songs here and there. Currently, his body of work is diverse and mostly very sexual or sensual. Now some of it is getting undeniably lewd as his mother would say according to his twitter. However, some is conscious e.g. A Woman's Hands. Some is simultaneously conscious and not conscious such as Top of the World and Sex is Better than Love and Store Run. The Yo Side Of The Bed video is conscious too.

I agree Trey could introduce more conscious music and be successful with some really hot beats or irresistible melodies and exceptionally good lyrics. But I think this has to be gradual because it could be career suicide given what he is now doing. Trey said himself that fans are fickle. That’s why artists come and go.

Right now artists are not making much from recordings anyway. Touring and merchandise are the moneymakers, and in concert, we all know what fans like to see and hope to get up on stage with him. So if he wants to incorporate more frequent consciousness, he will need to be very careful and creative given his current over the top antics and lyrics. It can be done, but I don’t think a Trey show will be 100% conscious in a Christian sense unless he switches to gospel. I don’t think I am ready for that myself.

@Humbleheart
Just keep praying for everybody. I hope we don’t all go to hell.

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Hey all,

I know this is a blog about Trey, but it's getting real out here, and only what we do for Christ will last. With Whitney dying and that mess that Nicki Minaj pulled last night on the Grammy's, Jesus is coming back soon! We cannot continue in the same sins that we've been walking in forever. It's time to grow up! Jesus is coming back for a Church without spot wrinkle or blemish, and as much as we like to hear the 'Jesus loves me' message, 'cause it is true, we have to be READY.

The Holy Spirit has just been revealing so much foolishness in this world to me, and He told me that a lot of people are sleeping and not paying attention. He said that He needs saints who are in position 'watching and praying' with their lamps burning. He said a lot of people's lamps are about to go out, and they need to go fill up on oil. Refill you lamps Bride, and get in the Word. Keep praying for each other, ourselves, and lifting each other up with words of encouragement. Hold fast to the faith!

And I pray the Lord will raise up a positive voice in the music industry for this Generation. It may be Trey, it may not, but whoever answers the call (because many are called but few are chosen or choose to answer the call) to God be the Glory! :)

sn: Everything that the Holy Spirit just spoke to me about the Church being ready can be found in the parable of the Ten Virgins. Whenever the Lord speaks something to me, I ask Him to verify it with His Word. This is where it can be found in Mathew 25:1-13.

*Sleeping saints (Mathw 25:5)
*No oil (Mathew 25:2)
*Need to be watching and ready (Mathew 25:10,13)

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@Numba1Hon:

I don’t know the way this world is going I think conscious music is needed more frequently. But hey that’s just my belief. :) I believe if you have a devoted following conscious music can be introduced. I think conscious music has been profitable in the past and still is. However the music industry has been flooded with a lot of foolishness and sadly many have grown accustomed to it. I believe if Trey was compelled to do conscious music it would have the right beat to draw people in. I think that is key the artist has to ready to do something. Listening to Trey’s music and who he references in his songs lets me know he does like socially conscious music.

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@Humbleheart and @JesusIsMySavior and others
I agree occassionally more conscious music is needed and not just from Trey, but you need a conscious audience that is interested in listening. I think that the music industry would be interested in conscious music if there were a profitable market for it. I think if Trey does conscious music, he had better make sure he has the right music so that even if the audience in not interested in the message, they will purchase because of the music/beat. There was a kid on the Apollo Theatre that looked like a minature James Brown. He could rap like the best and dance like James Brown and Michael and he had swag as bad as Trey and lyrics that would make Trey proud. With his bad boy swag, he rapped about getting his education, etc. Every last person in the audience was on their feet during the performance and after. The boy got a standing ovation. I only saw that happen one other time on that show, but that was when a powerfully sexy male contestant was singing something sexy. This goes to show you if you have the talent and the right material, you can do conscious music as well, but it has to be really good. Not only that, you have to take the artist into consideration. The artist has to feel something compelling to sing about at that moment in his life. Sometimes we have to wait. We can not demand something an artist is not ready to do.

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I recall him statin in an interview that the Angels on his back represented all the people who prayed for him and the tattoo's were just his waynto show his appreciation and love for the people that pray for him.

I believe he believes in God, otherwise he wouldnt refer to God and prayer as he does. That is one of the reasons I love Trey is because he believes in God n seems to be a God lovin man. I think people look too much into stuff instead of takin it for what it is. I dont think Trey has stopped believing in God. He is not perfect, Trey is human like you and I, and he will make mistakes, but I dont think he has shifted his beliefs. He knows that he is BLESSED, not lucky. And I believe he knows that just as sure as he is Trey Songz and sittin on top of the world, that it can all be taken away from him. I believe that he knows that yes he has worked hard and will continue to work hard, but without God by his side n in his heart, that he wouldnt be where he is today.

This is all my personal opinion, from what Ive read and heard from Tremaine. This is one of the main reasons that I love Trey. No one can ever tell me otherwise, except for Tremaine Aldon Neverson. I know ur curious and Im not tryin to attack you or be defensive just statin my opinion and beliefs. I always pray that Trey remains humble and will always continue to believe in God and his love and mercy.

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@Uriel
I agree with what you say about Lucifer tempting Eve and Eve seducing Adam, and I agree with your moral to the story because I think I see where you are coming from.

This is why I said we (Trey fans) need to pray for ourselves too.

I have to be truthful. I like much of his music too. I just think he went a little far with some things, and obviously he knows this too. It is not stopping me from listening to it though (in private, LOL). If you ignore the vulgarity and immorality in some of it, and you look at it without judgment, you have some lyrical masterpieces supposedly about the world of the artist . It might not be saintly, but it appears honest and where he was at in this moment. We all know that Trey is not a saint and we all know Jesus wasn't only after saintly people. So I believe Trey is a work in progress like many of us. Many of us are not fully ready and have not given ourselves over 100%. Your right. None of us know what God has in store for Trey. It could be he is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing. Maybe his fans are so obsessed with him, it is keeping many of them out of trouble. If they could get to him that is where the real trouble would begin. LMAO

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I probably should have said obstacles, adversity, temptation, etc.

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Uriel:
You said:
“This is the sad truth/reality...most people prefer hate, cruelty, perversion, abuse, and brutality over love, truth, tenderness, empathy, and compassion. The latter makes these individuals sick with disgust because they hate love so much. Love is like a bitter poison to their very souls.”

I think the majority of us have the capacity to be good, but we don’t have the understanding and skill that allows us to remain good in the face of obstacles or adversity, etc. I don’t think that most people are sadists, sociopaths or psychopaths, etc., but I think as humans, we express NEGATIVITY as well as love, truth, tenderness, empathy and compassion, patience, happiness and so forth, and whatever emotions we are experiencing is reflected in our actions. I believe that when people have really good understanding and are spiritually and emotionally uplifted, and have skills to apply what we know and understand, we are better able to express love. When one does not have good understanding of the religious/spiritual along with the application to the mundane, nor the skill to apply the knowledge to one’s life, and one is unhappy and in pain or in fear or worse, what one will manifest is the negative side of our nature. I don’t believe that man is inherently evil. I think we just don’t have understanding and don’t know what we are doing in this world. Most of us are just floundering around trying to make it in life. However, some people may be truly good or evil. I think being truly evil or good depends upon your level of understanding and what you choose to do with it.

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@HumbleHeat:

I truly agree some of today's music is too explicit.

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@Uriel, I also disagree with your statement to JIMS about prayer:

"Jesusismysavior ~ You can pray for Trey all night and day every single day for the rest of your life, but in the end Trey has to make the right choices for himself by himself (whatever those may be). Only God and Trey know what is right for him, and God doesn't condemn us but he does convict us. To convict is to prove or find guilty."

You're right in that is ultimately his choice, but prayer does change things! The bible specifically says that "the effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much" James 5:16 and lists an example of this in James 5:17-18. Even Jesus, although he knew that it was ultimately Peter's decision on whether or not to deny, He stated that He prayed for him, that his faith did not fail:

And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.” (Luke 22:31-32)

Jesus knew that Peter would fall, but He prayed for Peter's return! When we see other brothers in trouble or get an unction from the Holy Spirit to pray for someone, we should not turn a deaf ear. Our prayers just might be what that person needs to increase their faith :)

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cont'd @ Uriel: As far as angels who are spirits being asexual, I disagree for numerous reasons, but I plan to share only one for time constraints. In the book of Genesis, it states that the angels who rebelled in heaven, also called the "sons of God", came down to have sex with the women. It states that these angels saw that the women of God were beautiful and took them as wives (Genesis 6:2). The offspring of the angels and the women were called Nephilim or Giants: angel-human hybrids ( Genesis 6:4) If they were indeed asexual, why didn't they bear Giant children with the men?An asexual angel cannot implant "seed" into a woman. Likewise, when the Holy Spirit came upon Mary for her to bear Jesus in her womb, the seed of God the Father was implanted in her egg, creating Jesus. This made Jesus human (1/2 DNA from mom) yet divine (1/2 from God the Father). Only a male can implant seed into a woman.

As far as spirits being masculine and feminine energies being combined, there is nothing biblical to support that. The bible actually disproves that not only because of the examples I gave above, but because humans are spirits, who have a soul, and live in a body (see Genesis 2:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:23). We do not become non-gender identified once our spirits depart our bodies in death. I do know that this is a belief that is erroneously taught in a lot of new age circles. If you have anymore questions about anything regarding the human makeup, the difference between humans and angelic beings, please feel free to ask and I will provide more examples or give a deeper understanding.

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Hi Uriel,

First I would like to thank you for commenting. I agree with you saying that Trey Songz only doing socially conscious music would be 1D. However, isn't only singing about sex doing the same thing? I believe I stated that it would be great to see him showcase more of his poetic/conscious side, not ONLY do poetic/conscious music. I know that he stated that he has a deep love for old school R & B. One thing I love about old school R & B is artist using symbolism to describe intimate details. I think as of late, music has gotten way too explicit in explaining sexual acts or courtship for that matter (e.g. Rhianna S & M lyrics). I think a perfect modern example of using symbolism and poetry in music is "Stereo Hearts" by Gym Class Heroes. No one is saying that he has to sing about children with AIDS in Africa all the time, but leave some secrets in your bedroom. 1D in any one of those areas is boring.

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@Uriel: It bothers me to think that most people in this society prefer hate, cruelty, perversion, abuse and brutality over the more positive things in life. I don’t think these are things people prefer but have been accustomed to because sadly for a portion of society it is all they see. I think if we take it upon ourselves to be more loving, truthful, tender, empathetic and compassionate the more people will learn to desire those things.

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@Uriel: I know for me I like the majority of what Trey sings about. However, there are times when it can get too vulgar and I skip over those songs. I suppose it depends on the individual discussing specific topics doesn’t have to be boring. I’m sure that there a lot of rappers/singers that are socially conscious that enjoy Trey’s music.

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@Uriel (con’t)

“Do you want to see people unravel and expose their true natures? Put an opportunity for wealth, fame, power, and "celebrity" out on the table. The ugliness within people (envy, jealousy, viciousness, cruelty, and vindictiveness) comes out. People will rob, enslave, murder, and completely lose their minds over power, fame, wealth, and a chance to be a "celebrity" and/or political figure (or an even bigger celebrity and/or political figure).”

This can be true for many people, but there is a flip side to that too. There are people that utilize their wealth fame, power, celebrity for good too. It comes down to how truly humble you are or willing to be.

I do see some awful things that mankind does and it hurts. Being good is definitely a plus but we must remember that our good deeds aren’t the only thing that gets us into God’s kingdom.

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